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While I'd rather stay out of any discussion involving Haitian politics (a quagmire if ever there was one), I was quite frankly astonished that even Dubya would say something as mindnumbingly stupid as "Democracies don't war with their neighbor". Um, quick newsflash: Yup, they do.

That democratic peace bullshit really gets under my skin because it's been put forward as this grand, intellectual justification for the Iraq war, although any kid spending ten minutes with a history book could see how completely asinine such a statement is. It is speculating in the ignorance of your audience and it's reprehensible.

Anyways, first-time poster, have been enjoying your stuff for some time and just thought I'd say hi. So, um... hi.

Hi Bistroist :) Thank you for de-lurking.

I'm with you on Haitian politics being a quagmire. It's a perfect example of where disaster capitalism leads. Now sorting out the good guys from the bad guys from the worst guys is a real challenge. It's a shame that we can't trust the U.N. because a true peacekeeping force in there that threw billions at the current social problems is what they need. And Aristide - even with his history of bad acts - has to be returned. That's Political Job One.

It is speculating in the ignorance of your audience and it's reprehensible.

Here, here. He treats us like children and we oblige by behaving that way.

Nice juxtapositions, eRobin.

It's a phrase which the right has used before and some on the left, when they want to justify more of the usual (war). As such it seems to have the same sort of truth-by-definition status as the right for America to invade other countries.

Of course technically -- does the USA really count as a Democracy these days? Perhaps Republicans would prefer the example of Clinton attacking Yugoslavia.

Would you rather have had tens of thousands of Haitians arriving on the shores of Florida?

Also, just as a matter of historical fact, it was the Clinton Presidency that intervened in Haiti.

Would you rather have had tens of thousands of Haitians arriving on the shores of Florida?

Yes.

Also, just as a matter of historical fact, it was the Clinton Presidency that intervened in Haiti.

As a matter of fact, I have forgotten more about the history of Haiti and America's role in it than you have a hope of understanding, Bagley.

"As a matter of fact, I have forgotten more about the history of Haiti and America's role in it than you have a hope of understanding, Bagley."

And how do you know what I know?

And, as to the Haitians, I am not so sure that the majority of Floridians would agree with you.

And how do you know what I know?

Call it a hunch. You answered a question of human suffering with a stock image of Haitians invading our sacred shores. Then your comment about Clinton's involvement in Haiti, as if that disaster was an isolated case or the first example of American intervention in that country's government, sealed the deal.

"Call it a hunch."

A hunch is not a strong foundation for a definitive statement.

"Then your comment about Clinton's involvement in Haiti, as if that disaster was an isolated case or the first example of American intervention in that country's government, sealed the deal."

You really do read quite a bit into a simple statement of historical fact.

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