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I guess I'll find out from the links, but is S1487 the Senate counterpart to HR811, or is it a separate effort?

Some of what I'm gleaning from Theisen's objections seems like the flip side of the National Popular Vote idea; to the extent that's desirable, I think you just about have to federalize the administration of federal elections -- not just election day processes, but voter registration etc. too. Maybe I'm wrong about that, though.

And maybe I'm wrong about this too: I've been reluctant to say it -- esp. given all your nice feedback on other issues like impeachment and so forth -- but right now I reluctantly support HR811; I think the principle of audits and auditable elections is so important that fixing HR811's DRE+paper flaw can wait. (Though like you, I wish that didn't have to wait.) Ie, audits will catch DRE+paper screwups/crimes. That's basically TrueVoteMD.org's position, too, by the way. Admittedly they/we have a bias in that MD needs the HAVA money to fund the voter-verified bill passed here earlier this year.

So I'm very concerned if Feinstein's bill turns the whole thing into even more of a mess.

S.1487 is NOT the companion to H.R. 811. I think the companion to Holt's bill is sponsored by one of the Nelsons.

right now I reluctantly support HR811; I think the principle of audits and auditable elections is so important that fixing HR811's DRE+paper flaw can wait.

There's no rush here to pass something, anything, just because it does some of what we want while doing quite a bit of what we really, really, really don't want. The answer is to pass a stripped-down bill that gets us to voter-marked paper ballots for 2008 and then move from there in time for 2010. That's eminently do-able, or would be if special corporate interests didn't run the country.

I understand the temptation to federalize elections but it's a bad idea to take control away from the states. I especially believe that to be true when I see that the best thing they can come up with it to have the EAC, notorious bumblers, be the federal agency that runs the show. We need minimal federal standards (mandatory voter-marked paper ballots and proper audits) and intense oversight on every level of government. Some states are moving in the right direction: Oklahoma, New Hampshire, California to a degree and now Florida.

At the risk of being accused of shameful self-promotion I will say this: If you want to learn about this issue, spend some time listening to the Voice of the Voters archives. The show isn't the most technically polished on the Intertubes, but it has had the best guests explaining the nuts and bolts of electronic voting as well as the implications of current eVoting events in clear and sometimes very entertaining ways.

S.1487 is NOT the companion to H.R. 811. I think the companion to Holt's bill is sponsored by one of the Nelsons.

right now I reluctantly support HR811; I think the principle of audits and auditable elections is so important that fixing HR811's DRE+paper flaw can wait.

There's no rush here to pass something, anything, just because it does some of what we want while doing quite a bit of what we really, really, really don't want. The answer is to pass a stripped-down bill that gets us to voter-marked paper ballots for 2008 and then move from there in time for 2010. That's eminently do-able, or would be if special corporate interests didn't run the country.

I understand the temptation to federalize elections but it's a bad idea to take control away from the states. I especially believe that to be true when I see that the best thing they can come up with it to have the EAC, notorious bumblers, be the federal agency that runs the show. We need minimal federal standards (mandatory voter-marked paper ballots and proper audits) and intense oversight on every level of government. Some states are moving in the right direction: Oklahoma, New Hampshire, California to a degree and now Florida.

At the risk of being accused of shameful self-promotion I will say this: If you want to learn about this issue, spend some time listening to the Voice of the Voters archives. The show isn't the most technically polished on the Intertubes, but it has had the best guests explaining the nuts and bolts of electronic voting as well as the implications of current eVoting events in clear and sometimes very entertaining ways.

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