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I was waiting for the Right to claim Batman as a pro-BushCo movie. I knew while I was watching it that all sides would be able to claim the movie as a defense of their worldviews and actions. To me, that says that it defends none of them. It does, however, make the point that people are fallible and often act from fear instead of love and that it's society's job to resist those impulses when they occur or at least work to rein them in. I think that the movie is hopeful on that score. I could go on and on b/c I really did love the film and what I thought it said to me but then I'd run the risk of sounding like the dope you cited (although from the left, with a side of Buddhism) and so I'll refrain.

For discussions about art, I like to go to the source. Here's the director, Chris Nolan, on a related question:

The film implies that Gotham's latest wave of psychos exist partly because of Batman, not in spite of him. His presence has unintended consequences in the same way that the U.S. presence in Iraq has consequences.

At the end of the first film we introduced the idea of escalation. Batman creates this extreme response to crime in Gotham—putting on a mask and jumping off rooftops. Well, what's that going to inspire from the criminals he's fighting? Batman has changed the world, but not all for the better. The use of force against an enemy is a tricky and fascinating thing to have in a story. And the film tries to make the point that everybody loses in these situations.

Oops, you lost me. I've been reading the Right and now it's all too complicated for me to follow. All I know is: Violence, Good; Use of Force Against Enemy, Good; Use of the Word "Loses", Bad. Very Bad.

And from crazy RightwingLand you went to Worst.Album.EverWorld? My goodness, why are you punishing yourself??

I didn't mean to. I thought it would be R&R. I was wrong.

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